Sameer Chandra

Mr. Stein: Your Own Private Mental Asylum

In Life or Something Like It on June 28, 2010 at 8:55 pm

In Response for Mr. Joel Stein’s article in Time.com on June 24th, 2010. You can read it here! (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1999416,00.html)

I returned home tired, after two days in the sun, having baked my skin in almost 100F temperatures and near perfect (100%) humidity in the Rio Grande Valley, described by its residents as “a slice of good life”. I believe it’s their way of masking their woes living in an oven. I got home late, took a shower, looked at my much darker reflection in the mirror, and then realized that I should be thankful that I have a job to do, an important one at that, though it takes its toll once in a while.

I sat down opened my computer, which I haven’t had the opportunity to use much while in Weslaco, Texas. As usual after checking my email, catching up on all the RSS feeds, I logged in to Facebook, to see what’s the world up to, and found that most of my “Indian” friends were outraged by an article published in Time Magazine, titled “My Own Private India” by Mr. Joel Stein. Some called him racist, some hurled “shame on you time magazine”, and one even accused Mr. Stein of sleeping while the world shrunk around him, in the wave of globalization.

Having aroused my interest, I clicked on the link to find out what the hoopla is all about. As I begin to read, and finished it, this is what I really feel about your insecurities as an American, your deficiencies as a journalist, and your biased view of the world, sitting on your porch in some cave, if it can have one!

From the very beginning, you assert that you are in favor of immigration, and then you immediately contradict yourself by limiting who can immigrate, to where. I guess you haven’t made up your mind yet. It’s ok, that’s what the first impression of Americans is, insecure and indecisive, thanks to people like you, who jump out of the crowd, and become the face of the nation. The real Americans are much better folks than you are. Yes, thanks to the voice on the other end of the phone (no matter how heavy the accent is), some Americans do need to be constantly reminded that, rebooting your computer is the easiest thing to do, and solves a lot of problems.

You reminisce about your crime-filled days of early childhood, vandalizing your town, stealing from very establishments, and how much you miss it now. It’s ok with us, may be you needed to come clean now, it’s a heavy burden to carry, even for a college educated illiterate like you. I feel for your pain, that new generation of Americans are going to lose an opportunity to imbibe crime as a way of life, as more educated, and law-abiding Indians inhabit your town. But don’t they teach all of that on TV these days, or even Internet? I’m pretty sure, American kids can find ways to get their crime fix, if not, heck they’ll join their leaders and invade another country, there’s almost 250 or more left.

What you’re witnessing around you is “change”, and you’re channelizing your anger or your inability to deal with it, projecting on a community of Indians with a racist tone, who are very well doing the same thing as you, living the American Dream. Thankfully, you do accept it and come to terms with it later in your article.

You will never know, what people go through to make it to America. We all don’t have picket fences; live in Beverly Hills 90210, or Wisteria Lane. Our lives are far less glamorous. The realities of everyday life keep us grounded, yet give our dreams wings to fly, to improve ourselves everyday. We study, we learn, we adapt, we improve and then repeat, till we achieve what we’re after. It’s far too much for someone like you to even comprehend. For you, it’s no big deal. You were born here in America, the land of the free and home of the brave. Sure it is, here people have freedom to express their stupidity, and their bravery in antagonizing one of the most affluent and contributing segment of the American immigrant population, Indians.

It is not just our zeal to be in America, it’s a drive to better their lives, for themselves, their children and their family, if they can. Is that any different from any american would do? Now, here’s an alien word for you, Family!. Is it so hard for you to understand, that when you go to a new part of the world, you look for similarities with your own surroundings? A place where you feel comfortable, a place where you can see your children grow up, retaining at least some of the values, which you cherish?

Edison, NJ is one such place, but so are many other places, San Jose, CA, Brooklyn, NY, I can go on an on. It’s actually hard to not find Indians anywhere in America. You want to test it, go to any hospital in America, and look at the list of doctors attached to it, I’m willing to bet there will be an Indian on that list, even in a remote part of the country, where even American doctors don’t want to settle down. There are good chances that next time you need medical help, it will be an Indian doctor saving your life!

People move to a new place, stay close together in a new land, new culture, hoping to assimilate with time. Indians are no exceptions; take people from other origins, Germans, Dutch, French, Spanish they all stay in their own communities, all across America, creating a cosmopolitan environment which makes America what it is. These aliens preserve their culture, their cuisine, and their way of life, in doing so. I’m willing to be that’s what even an American does, when he/she moves to a new country. It’s only natural to stay within the confines of communities that represent a familiarity with back home.

I can’t stress enough about the deficiencies of US’s Immigration policy, it seems it’s still stuck in the mid-1960s. As for the foreign policy, what can I say, there has to be a reason why America is hated all over the world? Let’s just leave that conversation for one of your future articles.

Your image of Indians may have changed over time, from Geniuses to average folks, but that could very well be your myopic viewpoint. Most people associate Indians, with Doctors, Engineers, now IT, but that’s not all we have to offer. There is a reason immigrants are sought after by any and every multi-national corporation who dreams big. Ever care to ponder why? I know you’re thinking cheap labor. We’re not a cheaper alternative; we’re a better alternative, which comes at a cheaper price.

We can’t comment on the lack of creativity in racial insults hurled at us or people from any foreign culture for that matter. However, we don’t go around making disparaging remarks about your God or the Holy Spirit or how human he was in his appearance, unlike ours. We are much civilized than that.

Indian civilization is one of the oldest civilizations in the world. We have written references from thousands of years before Christ even came into the picture. The Vedas, or treatise (and there are four of them) are one of the oldest written scriptures in the world. Even back then, ancient Indians understood the value of nature, and made efforts to preserve what they had. They worshipped nature and the elements that gave, and supported life, including Sun, Wind, Fire and Earth. Thousands of years later, with advent of foreigners, dilution of our culture we ended up with millions of gods, in all shape and forms, one of them is depicted as a monkey (Hanuman), the other as an elephant (Ganesha), while other animals like cows, buffalos, snakes, even rats are associated with gods as well. How creative is that?

As for our cuisine or any cuisine that came to America with immigrants, Italian, Mexican, Indian, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, German food around, what would you be eating otherwise? Whether you do or not, don’t assume that other folks share your dislike. We like our food spicy, the same way you like your bland Turkey and gravy, with corn bread.

I’m sure if Statue of Liberty (which BTW, was gifted to America by the French) could, it would cry inconsolably, knowing that it had become a symbol of America, home to people like you, ignoramus perfecti.

Some of us may be overdoing it, but most are masking the smell of blood, sweat and tears behind that cologne, we’ve shed in achieving a better life for us, giving back to the very country that took us in, provided us with an equal opportunity to succeed, against insurmountable odds. One thing for sure, you’ll never see us walking with our pants on the ground.

  1. “One for thing sure, you’ll never see us walking with our pants on the ground.”
    *facepalm

  2. (applauding)
    I was horrified by the article as well. no idea what joel stein was getting at. he has railed against what is going on in arizona, so my best guess is that this was his (horribly misguided and completely failed) attempt at satire. instead it was at best a pedestrian swipe at indians and hinduism, and at worst a racist rant about god knows what.

    time magazine editors clearly aren’t worth their weight in bog roll. massive fail.

  3. Good one!

  4. You go girl!

  5. Very nice well articulated and gentlemanly reply. I also sent him an email just to give him a piece of my mind. But mine was not so gentlemanly 🙂

    • Appreciate it.
      Well, at first I was going to go a terse reply, but then what would be the difference between him and us.

  6. Hello sameer chandra, you got furious, but how about the damage that Indians are doing to America?

    Can you tell how many H1B’s are with fake resumes, fake degrees? How many people get H1B’s by paying money for house wives etc? Tell me why 99% of employees of TCS, Infosys, Cognizant, Wipro, Satyam etc should be imported from India? Why can’t they try to employ atleast some Americans? Why every other H1B guy comes here, get married and get children here to become Americans?

    I am sure, you are also an American and enjoying benefits of this great country. I want to challenge you, if you are so concerned about India, can you dare to give away your US citizenship and go back to India and show all your intelligence there and make India another US? If you have any shame, do all this by sitting in India, not being in US.

    • Dear SaveAmerica,

      I wasn’t furious back then, neither am I now. I feel pity for you. I sense a deep anger in your comment, misdirected at Indians on the whole. I doubt that you even read my response to its full extent (or the article by Mr. Stein). If you had, you would have realized that I wasn’t against America, I was against an author’s viewpoint on Immigration and his incapacities to absorb the change and his misdirected blame on a segment of society.

      It seems You thought, hey here’s a comment box, I’ll just regurgitate my frustration here, invoke some ridiculous response by challenging the author, if nothing else fails, hurl some shame on him. That’ll do the trick. You’re wrong, misguided, and definitely channelling your frustration in the wrong direction.

      I’m not a statistician, and therefore unable to give you any reliable numbers on the H1-B or different means of getting it. Let me ask you this? Why are US companies looking for talent outside the US, if there are so many brilliant people like you available at home? I’m sure there are plenty of americans, or people from other nationalities also working for all or any of those firms, have you tried to get into finding that out for yourself? No, that would need some effort! Maybe your tried, and they didn’t hire you, and thus this outpouring of disgust for every Indian, and everything Indian.

      Reading your immature questions, i can only derive that neither do you possess an intelligent brain, nor have the capacity to understand the socio-Economic-geo-political forces that are at work.

      Having a family, and kids is human right. I’m not challenging that some may do it for an obvious reason to gain a US Citizenship, not for themselves but for their children. But, everyone has the right to do so, irrespective of their citizenship. There is a reason, for which there is no law against having kids, if you’re an alien working temporarily in US. You know why, not only would it unjust, unlawful but contrary to what US wants to achieve. America, the one you’re so protective of needs immigrants, highly educated, technical professional in every field from any part of the world, to maintain the superiority it has come to enjoy over the rest of the world.

      I’m not just concerned about India, because I am an Indian. I’m concerned about the role that people like you portray in the downfall of a glorious nation. This herd-mentality of yours of blaming anything and everything foreign, for all the troubles is immature.

      Wake up, Grow up, and smell the change. Whether you decide to hide your head in the sand or not, change is coming, it’s around you. The sooner you accept it, better equipped you’ll be to handle it.

      • Good reply, Sameer. I share the same sentiments. I read the article in Time and was hurt to read it.

        SaveAmerica,

        I am an H1B in U.S. I got my masters from India and a double masters from U.S. I paid my U.S. student loans of 40K and am regular taxpayers in this country. I am not a U.S Citizen and am never going to give my Indian Citizenship. I don’t know where you this idea that all the H1B get a fake degree from India. Are you that duffer to think that American Companies are also as dull as you to hire someone and let them work for long if they don’t possess enough talent.Just think about it

  7. A little perspective. I discovered this controversy through Slate’s piece on the issue (I don’t read Time), and was amused and interested and unsettled by many of the comments. Your post is more personal and more interesting, so I thought I’d reply at length here instead of there; in other words, I found your post worth spending time on replying to carefully. I hope you read it in the same spirit I’ve read your piece, and the other comments. So here’s my two cents’ worth.

    Having just read Stein’s piece, it does come across as an expression of dismay at how his home-town has been changed by immigration, with an attempt to lighten the tone with some not very successful humor. The attempt is obvious, however, so your indignation is I think misplaced and strikes me as the product of someone, contrary to some comments here, rather too quick to take offence than ‘gentlemanly’. Eg:

    “You reminisce about your crime-filled days of early childhood, vandalizing your town, stealing from very establishments, and how much you miss it now… I feel for your pain, that new generation of Americans are going to lose an opportunity to imbibe crime as a way of life, as more educated, and law-abiding Indians inhabit your town.”

    Even if this wasn’t the sort of self-deprecating humor Jews are famous for, the fact you take his ironic reminiscences seriously does little for your argument. And going from this to a generalization (and an ungrammatical one at that!) about US foreign policy seems pretty loose to me:

    “I’m pretty sure, American kids can find ways to get their crime fix, if not, heck they’ll join their leaders and invade another country, there’s almost 250 or more left.”

    I also have to take issue with your tone. It mars the effectiveness of your post. In response to the ridiculing of religious images, you say (again, ungrammatically! It’s probably a typo, I realize, but I’m a confirmed school-master when it comes to language…) that “We are much civilized than that.” Perhaps this is true, though most religions have oodles of material ripe for ridicule for every ounce of sense. But you yourself fail to live up to the high standards you assign to India as a civilization with such cheap, silly, ad hominem attacks as “…for a college educated illiterate like you”; with such inscrutable but clearly maliciously intended jibes as “sitting on your porch in some cave, if it can have one!”; with such wild tangents less related to Stein’s recollections of childhood than your own insecurity as an immigrant: “As for the foreign policy, what can I say, there has to be a reason why America is hated all over the world?”; and more facile and silly ad hominem attacks, sicklied o’er with the pale cast of false erudition: “people like you, ignoramus perfecti.” Come on. You’re better than that. I do like you criticism of racial insults as lacking in creativity, though.

    But the center of the issue, it seems to me, and what you object to most vehemently (and I think unfairly), is Stein’s regret and dismay that his childhood home has changed due to Indian immigration, and not entirely for the better. Part of this he qualifies with his ironic memories of his own less-than-admirable childhood activities; for the rest, you inadvertently offer the most compelling argument in support of Stein–

    “Is it so hard for you to understand, that when you go to a new part of the world, you look for similarities with your own surroundings? A place where you feel comfortable, a place where you can see your children grow up, retaining at least some of the values, which you cherish?”

    And again, more sharply focused:

    “It’s only natural to stay within the confines of communities that represent a familiarity with back home.”

    You are, of course, absolutely right; and even Americans of Italian or Irish or German ancestry who have lived in the US for generations still feel a sentimental pull for the “old country”. There’s nothing necessarily wrong with this. However, immigration, and the attendant changes, have in some cases (as with Stein) obliterated the ‘familiarity with back home’ that you so prize; there is no longer a ‘back home’ for him to go to or identify with, since it has changed from a predominantly white and Jewish neighborhood (with all its problems and infelicities) to one dominated by a decidedly foreign culture, however full of doctors and engineers and gentle Hindus it might be peopled with. It was still home. So by clamoring for your right to maintain a link with your cultural heritage, to maintain your customs and cuisine and so on, you make it that much more difficult for Stein and people like him to do exactly the same.

    (In parentheses I’ll add that you yourself admit that he accepts and overcomes his initial discomfort at the whole business: “Thankfully, you do accept it and come to terms with it later in your article.” So what are you whining about!?)

    Seen in this light your defence of Indian communities is completely irrelevant; it is true that Indians and some other east-Asian communities are well-known for their work-ethic and respect for law and learning; also that Indian civilization is among the oldest and richest. But this is not the issue, and not only is it something Stein never denies, it’s something he indirectly praises by contrast with his ironic reminiscences of his (probably exaggerated) criminal childhood. Your comments, while largely true, and your outrage (less laudable) are therefore completely out of place, irrelevant. The real crux of the matter is revealed in your phrase:

    “I’m willing to be[t] that’s what even an American does, when he/she moves to a new country.”

    That’s precisely the point–the Americans in Stein’s story are NOT moving to a new country, it is their home, which they have the right to value as much as you do yours, including all the imperfections as well as the positive aspects. As you must yourself be aware, even the negative aspects of one’s ‘home’ are in an odd way cherished, and it leads to resentment if they are criticized. Stein’s issue is not one of relative perfection or otherwise of this “home” vis-a-vis the dominating immigrant culture, but its very “homeness”; one that can’t be maintained due to the imposition of the very “homeness” you insist for yourself as immigrants!

    Perhaps the issue is hidden to some extent by the much larger–and rightly more important–one of racism toward immigrants. But when immigrants stand up for themselves and the culture they bring with them (again quite rightly), perhaps they don’t realize that in doing so they inadvertently dilute the local culture, in some cases (again, perhaps Stein’s) virtually obliterate it. You see the double standard… And in this light it seems to me that your heated criticism of Stein is both misplaced and unjust, despite both his failed efforts at humorous characterization of Indian culture as well as his genuine regret that the ‘culture’ of his childhood has vanished and been replaced by something completely foreign. This last point is, again, what you so righteously, and a bit sententiously, demand for yourself by replacing the local culture with your own.

    Now I hope that, if you’ve read this carefully, you’ll realize this isn’t criticism of any particular culture, especially yours. It’s more a plea for understanding, a desire for you to extend the same understanding to others than you demand (quite rightly, once again) from others, particularly in this limited case of Stein’s article. The US is probably the most successful ‘melting pot’ experiment ever undertaken, for which ALL Americans should be proud and thankful and continue to exert themselves toward further integration by both long-time residents and newer immigrants. One of the things that has made the US work so well is the taking of what works well from each culture and incorporating it into the mainstream, and Indians, among many others, have much to contribute in this respect.

    Eventually, if we don’t live in a cave, our childhood homes will inexorably change and life moves on. This is something that people adjust to with varying degrees of facility, and it seems to me that someone who admits his own difficulties with this with such candor and–admit it–such mildness doesn’t deserve the merciless and mindless criticism he’s been receiving.

    Thoughts?

    • Jurgen I’m assuming that’s your name.
      Thanks for taking the time, in reading the actual article, my response and several comments associated with it. Your take on the matter, is different than mine, not too much, but slightly. I read through your comment, and I take it in the same spirit that you may have wanted me to.
      As for the grammatical deficiencies (and your own claim that you’re a “Confirmed School-Master”), i only have this to offer in my defense. I write, what I feel, and I believe I need to say. I don’t make excuses or hide my true feelings, or sugarcoat them. I’m a geologist, not a professional writer. I haven’t taken any technical writing courses, as you may have. That being said, I don’t agree with your observation, that I was quick to take offense. I read through Mr. Stein’s article several times. Despite my very liberal thinking, i just couldn’t give him the benefit of the doubt, I’m human.
      You presented Joel Stein’s point-of-view quite efficiently (I wish he had take care to present his case, as well as you did), and I agree with some of the points, that you make. I feel his nostalgia, but what i dont agree with, is his tone, and the direction his article took right after the first paragraph.
      Thanks for your time, and effort.

  8. Hello Geologist Geoaggie,

    Mr. Stein’s “dot head” type of comments are callous as he laments his childhood community but…
    I for one can tell you how shamelessly racist Indian engineering managers and HRs have been, not willing to even consider a non-Asian hire and only other Asians when the Asian employees complain. Been there, seen that. The sad part of the Edison story is that the author has no idea that the proliferation of Indians in Edison has nothing to do with talent, it’s pure ugly racism – Indian engineering will not hire Americans, Russians, etc. Sorry to burst your ethnocentric bubble but no, there isn’t some magic technological intellectual phenomena occurring in India or China, it’s just old fashioned racism that’s been imported.
    I can’t tell you how disgusted I am by the Indian/Chinese turf wars at work as they bicker over whether the next hire should be an Indian H-1B or a Chinese H-1B before the position’s even been posted. Totally oblivious to their actual duty – hiring the best qualified and totally oblivious that an H-1B was and still is supposed to be only if you can’t find a qualified resident/citizen. It’s been 12 years of this BS. Take a look, just one of the many companies enduring this turf war, this is a typical snapshot:
    http://layoffblog.com/2009/07/16/cisco-lays-off-several-hundred-workers/
    I’ve only addressed the hiring aspect but you can see in the blog it taints much of a business, not just the quality of the worker but also the quality of the work – people aren’t effective when they’re at each others throats.
    As far as I can tell, there is neither anything extraordinarily talented about the typical H-1B in the past 12 years nor temporary. This is solely a dysfunction in the H-1B immigration policy that’s being taken advantage of for the purpose of compatriot immigration. And it’s so ironic to see the early H-1Bs now residents and citizens finding themselves unemployed as the inbound flood of H-1Bs continue in a time of high unemployment.

    Amy

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